Strong Reaction to Name Changing
"Wow. I was completely accepting of your opinion up until the remark about losing respect for people who take their husband's last name. I understand that you have your beliefs about this matter, but what we do with our lives and our names is our business. If you truly do believe so strongly that our names make us who we are, and belong to us, then you should agree that we have the right to do whatever we choose with them. If we are not as attached to our names, and choose to give them away and become a part of our new husband's family, who are you to tell us that we are wrong in doing so? A name doesn’t make a family. But it doesn't make a person either. We are more than our names. We can be strong, independent women and take the last name of our husband. If you can't, that's your problem."
Emily, and other people who commented to this effect, correctly pointed out that the real issue, when it comes to name changing, is about choice.
When I wrote the post on my opinions of changing your name I wanted to be clear about how I felt about the issue. I didn’t realize what I firestorm I was releasing.
Part of it is my fault – when I said I lost a little respect for people who choose to change their name, I meant that I do not respect that particular decision, not that I have lost all respect for the person. I have lots of respect and love for people who have changed their name and I will continue to do so. (Unless they write really vitriolic, angry comments on my blog calling me lots of names.)
It is not a cut and dry issue, I did agonize with what name to give the kids, and I do feel bad that we are not a team under one name/one banner. I am happy that there are so many different options out there for couples like hyphenating or making up a new name all together. I think that if my husband and I were to get married today (as opposed to 12 years ago) we would explore both of us changing our names because that just seems more fair and less tied to the exploitive history of name-changing.
But the bottom line is that I am happy that I live in a time that I was able to make that choice for myself, as can others.
It looks like this will be an evolving discussion. Please check back on Monday when I will post some thoughtful comments on both sides of the issue.



Posted by: Holy Feminist | 2010-02-10 5:03:58 PM
Ms C Harrison: WOW! The " 'destruction' of family tradition and traditional family values. Think of it as a necessary 'evil', a social inconvenience if you must." So what you are saying is that in order for the feminists to rise to power we should "inconvenience" ourselves with your view of a perfect female (I'm sorry fe-person) society. Again WOW! I am ashamed to be grouped into the same gender as you with that horrible self serving comment.
Also, I have noticed you really dislike the English language. It is obviously inconveniencing you with all of those Male dominated words. Allow me to help you lift some of that oppression you must feel every time you are faced with a paragraph.
Menstrual Cramps = Personstrual Inconvenience
Male = Oppresser (?)
Female = Non-Oppresser (?)
History = The story of the past
Fireman = Fire-putter-outer
All childish banter aside. I do not understand what the point of changing absolutely everything is. How can it possibly make the world a better place for women? Please clarify what the ultimate goal is.
Posted by: Carol Harrison | 2010-02-09 10:51:31 PM
Hey Lorraine Mercer, re: your comments to Emma, "much ado about nothing...and so on....
you are dismissing her beliefs, her opinions, and they aren't NOTHING. They reflect how she feels and she has that right.
Honestly, I can't believe the number of women on this forum, never mind the small number of men too insecure to not have a problem with a woman keeping her single name, who can't stomach a woman merely because she chooses to keep her single name.
Socail tradition and sociall non-conformity...they could live side by side if the more Conservative side could just live and let live. Or as I say, to each her own.
There is a saying which goes like this: "Women generally accept "special" (Mrs. John Doe) traditional language terms. They DON'T recognize their own SECONDARY social status given them by society, BASED on their GENDER.
Posted by: Ms. C. Harrison | 2010-02-09 10:44:15 PM
Wow, Emma, where to begin. I totally agree with you, except that I don't understand the motivation in keeping one's single (patriarchal ) name at yet giving one's children, their father's name. Patriarchy is NOT carved in stone, even though our society is saturated with male-oriented language.
Susan says "fear of the "patriarchy"...well Susan, patriarchy is merely a phrase, it's an actual cultural belief that has its roots soley in religion. It certainlin ISN'T 'fear'...it's a legitimate dislike and distate for a male-run society/world.
James: you mentiioned 'destruction' of family tradition and traditional family values. Think of it as a necessary 'evil', a social inconvenince if you must. Like feminism, traditon IS a .....choice. Tradition is fine if that's what most people grow up being taught while feminism is a social, political and economic belief in equality.
I for one, do not want to be defined by my marital status. I'm referred to as Mrs. Doe sometimes and on hospital forms where my first and last name (father's) is typed, I add...to enlighten the hospital and government, that I am married and I'm not a Mrs. If that's not something the hospital clerks or administration are used to seeing...that's their problem, not mine.
Emma, I like your t-shirt...SURNames NOT SIRnames. Unfortunately, Mr. doesn't represent marital status unless a man is wearing a ring. A woman who chooses to conform to social standards, is defined by her marital status. When she's single, she's a Miss and when she's married, a Mrs. 'God" forbid she keeps her single name and married. My spouse and I went to a hospital out of town for me to have a procedure and he was referred to as Mr. MY last name. He didn't say anything, however, I did because I don't like assumption on anyone's part.
I guess this is for Jodi: My spouse and I, we are....family....children NOT necessary. I AM a feminist and that means social, political and economical equality with men, for those who don't understand, despite or HATE the term feminist. Feminist has long become the f-word to mean 'man' hater because traditionalist don't understand what feminism REALLY means. I have no problem with traditionalist-minded people as long as they don't insist on telling me....who I am.
Jod: My answer to you in a word...patriarchal woman!
Me: A mostly typical male response, more like a man threatened by the idea of a woman he's about to marry or who asks her to marry him, keeping her OWN identity even if it's her father's name.
Me: " You (I'm guessing you must mean Emma here) write B.S. articles to make yourself feel better about ...something. You're the type of man I would not give the time of day too! No offense, but your attitude borders on insecurity.
Grace: "If you loved him enough to marry, wouldn't you want that written in your HIStory (HERstory?) Me personally, I married the man, NOT his last name. His mother was a VERY traditonal Italian and my spouse and I, we wrote our our wedding announcememnt and she had already, without consulting us FIRST, wrote her OWN announcement, cut it out of the local newspaper and when we both saw her next, she showed it to my spouse, he read it and handed it back to her and gave her an unsolicited opinion. From that time on, until the day she died, she hated me because I didn't fit into her concept of the woman she wanted her son to marry...a "nice" Italian 'girl'. Because I chose NOT to be conventional with a mind of my own, she made every effort to ignore me as a human being whom she despised, plus, we had no relationship whatsoever. She never accepted me as the future spouse of her only son nor made me welcome in her home.
My mother married post WW2 in an era when women called themselves by their "maiden" names. That was the culture during that time period. It was sociall expected and women didn't question social convention then and that was SIXTY-FIVE years ago and STILL the same problem exists. I doubt that our society today, in the 21st. century, is ever going to progress where those women who choose to keep their single names, won't be presssured to change once they get married or are questioned about what name their children will have if the woman hyphenates her single name with her spouse's single name. There is the idea that not all feminists think alike, so why call Emma a hypocrite or contradictory just because her children have their father's surname. She's not necessarily being going against what she believes. That's her choice and... and NOT taking her spouse's surname/last name, doesn't mean she is a social feminist.
My single name IS my father's surname and yes, it's patriarchal and I've despised my father's last name for as long as I can remember, however, until I find a name I lilke, that expresses my social and political beliefs, I will be keeping his name.
There is a woman, a philanthropist, who took her spouse's last name. They divorced and now she's know as....NancyRuth....legally.
Posted by: Brittany | 2010-02-09 3:23:59 PM
It's a personal choice to change your name or not. Who are you to judge someone's personal decision? There is no right or wrong answer when it comes to changing your name. If some people feel that it makes them more of a family, then good for them. If some people are attached to their maiden name and feel strongly about it and want to keep it, good for them also.
I don't feel its right to say you've lost respect for someone's personal decision.
At the end of the day, is your life affected if I change my name or not...NO! You're happy with your decision, so let others be happy with theirs. That was rather ignorant of you.
Posted by: Grace | 2010-02-09 10:58:34 AM
Names are important to be sure. A name....YOUR (last) name does help define who you are. It tells the story of YOUR roots. The matriarchal line does not dissapear by taking on your husbands last name, it just adds to your story, this is the person you loved enough to marry. If you loved him enough to marry, wouldn't you want that written in your history?? I want my lineage to know who they belong to (I am selfish that way I guess). I want my family to be able to easily trace their own history so they can also enjoy the feeling of belonging to a long line of people...family, and not be confused and frusturated trying to figure who that is. In our famaily we were given a first name based on what our parents loved..the first loving gift they gave us, our middle name is my mothers maiden name, our last name was my fathers last name. Not very creative or romantic, but highly functional. All us children, both sons and daughters were named this way. We are all connected as a family in historical records as sibblings...just based on our names and age range. Sweet, simple, easily traced as to whom I was born to, who my sibblings are, and what lines to trace back through for future generations who want to know their own roots. The hard part is living my life in such a way that my grand children, great grandchildren etc, will be proud of the person I was in my life (without having ever met me), so that they too will feel pride in belonging to my lineage (though the nasty relitives do make for variety, spice and downright good conversation). My last name tells who I was born to, I was married once, I was divorced, I was married again...who my children's family lines runs through. My legacy is what I do with my life, and my (last) name gives clues as to the time frames and who the other characters are in my life. It seems simple enough to me. Genealogy.
Posted by: Robyn Bowler | 2010-02-09 8:55:25 AM
A wedding is one of the few events in our lives that somehow takes on a life of its own somewhere along the way. And I don't mean that in a good way. They go from being a beautiful vision of white tulle and gerbera daisies to a vicious, teeth-gnashing competition of traditions. Notice, how I said 'wedding', not 'marriage'....
Most of us adults have had weddings, but fewer have had marriages. Marriage is a state of mind, not a piece of paper and a day in June. It's a wonderful place, where YOU make the rules. Sure there's a guideline; get the paper, wear a white dress, say 'I do' and change your name to Mrs. Him. But, that's all it is, a guideline. Follow it to the letter if it's what YOU want, or pick and choose your favorite parts.
I had a wedding. Oh... here we go... she's divorced and cynical. Yes, I am divorced, but I'm not cynical about marriage. Because I know now what it is! It's not what I had. I had the paper and the white dress. I said 'I do' and I even cried a little. I took his name and had his child and lived happily ever after... For about 14 months. Ahhh... sounds magical. (slap) But, really, I'm not anti-marriage. It's not marriage's fault that I'm divorced, it's his fault. It really is.
So what does this really have to do with changing your name? I changed my name when I got married, but I didn't really want to. My ex-husband was appalled by the idea of me not taking his name. 'It's tradition' was his aguement. So I caved, as I often did. And when I was getting divorced, the thing that I wanted more then anything else, more then money, the house, the car, was MY NAME. Give me back what's mine and go on your way!
And now that I have my name back, will I ever give it up again? I don't know. I'm with a wonderful man now. We live together, share our lives, have a beautiful little girl of our own. We are the perfect family: mom, (step)dad, two girls, a dog and three last names between the four of us.
Posted by: Jelly | 2010-02-08 11:37:20 AM
Speaking as a female who agrees that everyone has the right to do what they want with their name, as it doesn't matter of a name, but if it feels like family anyways.
BUT the one thing that really peeves me are women who give their children her last name regardless of if they are with the bio father or some lame excuse of getting pregnant over a one night stand in order to keep the maiden name. Then they turn around and take advantage of the Government system with more hand outs for CCTB payments, income tax and also school funding. After all, it is NOT hard for the woman to keep one address and the bio dad to keep another address, even such as a post office box. How hard is it to cover up the bio dad as a roommate when there is different last names? Too easy.
I feel that the Government should look at a new plan on this whole "Last Name" thing, as I am sick of seeing others taking the advantage and I live almost at the poverty line because as an unmarried woman who choosed to keep my child under her bio dad's name and the Government says that we "make too much" to qualify for much of the CCTB. Really? Maybe the Government should come and work at our measly wages and pay through the nose for the cost of living and see what it is like to live with only so much. I barely get enough CCTB to even cover for any recreation activities that I would like to place my child in. $40 is gonna help how? Hmmm, pay the power or buy food? Sorry sweetie, no swimming this month (again) for you.
Nor do I qualify for any school funding to help better myself to better my family in the work force. Must be nice for those who do "qualify"...under the table-way I guess. That is BS.
I KNOW I am not the only person out there who feels this way about how parents "sneak around" the Government thing, AND they should be ASHAMED of themselves for doing this to collect more and more.
All because of a name change...
Posted by: Tarynne | 2010-02-06 1:39:58 AM
I generally give writers some slack. They do, after all, tend to use hyperboles and exaggerate issues - it's what gets them read.
But this - this, I can't ignore.
I actually find your stance incredibly offensive.
I think, that when it comes down to it, the new feminism is and SHOULD be about giving women the freedom of choice. We weren’t given opportunities a few decades ago, and then, we had them all. We watched our mothers burn themselves out trying to juggle everything and be Superwoman. Yet they weren’t having it all, they were doing it all.
And now, more than ever before, we should be able to be wives and mothers or career women or whatever we want – the point is, it’s our choice. We can choose whatever life we want that we identify with, and that makes us feel whole as an independent, strong woman. I will never judge another woman for doing what is right for them. But I will judge you for judging others, and so harshly.
For you to say to women that have changed their name, “I have lost a bit of respect for you” , seriously makes me think that your judgement is not only flawed, but that so is your character.
Yes, you can argue that it’s a patriarchal system, but so is keeping your maiden name, for pete’s sake. You inherited it from your father.
And heck, may I remind you that you bought into the system yourself.
Your kids go by your husband’s surname. Yes, I know, they have your surname as a middlename. Doesn’t matter. They are still known as John Doe – not John Waverman Doe.
I, personally, would never carry a child for 9 months, and then worry about them for every breath for the rest of my life, change their diapers, fix scraped knees, take care of their first heartbreak, and the list goes on, and not share a name with them. But I also would never judge a woman who does.
You can’t partake in the system (and yes, marriage, kids, nuclear family is a system,) and then act superior and holier-than-thou for opting out of just one small piece of it.
Shame on you.
Posted by: Mrs. H. | 2010-02-06 12:50:06 AM
Huh, not quite an apology but close... I understand that everyone is entitled to their opinion (including you), but I'll bet you just learn the lesson that 'if you have nothing nice to say, then say nothing at all' or better yet... 'choose your words wisely'! Unfortunately you have proven yourself to be no better than the 'oppressing' man of yesteryears; not by forcing us to take a last name or not but by publishing your better-than-thou garbage so your unsuspecting audience has no choice except to read on hoping that you would end your article on nicer note then what it had started on. But who am I to be so 'judgy'? Hhhmmmm...
Tsk, tsk... I'm sure your husband's co-workers will ask him where he keeps his _ _ _ _ _ at night(maybe in your purse?), and parts of your family must be ashamed of you for having the nerve to write about this topic in the manner that you did. I won't even bring up the feminists that you have just sealed a fate for. Most of all though, I feel very sorry for your children. I get the idea that you thought you were doing the right thing by giving them hyphenated surnames, but did you ever think of the questions they might ask you about this decision in the future and can you be honest with them in return? The whole idea of your husband's name is good enough for them but not you makes me shake my head... the hardships that your poor children will face later in life is enough to make me cry. I hope you save this article and all the responses for their viewing pleasure later in life.
I have not lost any respect for you as a PERSON, even if you chose not to take your husband's name but I have lost respect for YOUR DECISION in how you present yourself and your opinions. I was a 1st time reader and a last time reader. I found your arguements weak and feeble-minded. Even my husband says, " Thanks for setting back the womens movement after it has taken this long to get here....". That's saying a lot coming from him! I took my husband's name not because I had to, but because I wanted to. I'm honored to be his wife and wear his name proudly. I wish the best of luck in the future and hope you haven't lost all of your fan base with your P.O.V., especially as I know you have lost at least this reader.
Posted by: Definitely not Dean | 2010-02-06 12:21:27 AM
You know, Dean, you don't do yourself any favours or encourage anyone to believe that you're not a raging neanderthal with that pathetic display butchering the English language. That you could actually spew such vitriol and hate to someone you don't even know over a subject as relatively small as this suggests you have deep, deep issues. I'm guessing bitter divorced unemployed dad who doesn't have any visitation rights with the kids because you're a deadbeat, but blames your ex (and probably the government) for everything that's wrong in your world? Your leaps of logic and insane arguments are what's ridiculous (note the spelling).
Posted by: Dean | 2010-02-05 11:41:15 PM
So really what are you saying in this. You agonised over what to name your kids. What a bunch of garbage. It is their name, your not marching them to a torture session in Abu Grab. Your reasons made no sense at all. You somehow respect marriage as long as you can change the traditions as you see fit. If that works for you do it. However my question is still why get married at all? Is that not a Legal contract to your husband and he to you? Sounds like a property matter here. Woman your being oppressed. Told what man you have to keep with you, how rediclous. You should be able to mate with whomever you see fit that way you can get the kids that you want or even just collect the certian pieces from the sets you like. Now that is freedom and you would definately not feel owned. No agonising over names you can just play multiple choice. Nobody telling you what to do, sounds like being single is for you. Matter of fact I think that I am going to go start blowing red lights cause afterall someone is opressing me I should have the right to choose if I want to stop at that red. To hell with society. I wish you luck however I still think you are a closet raging lesbian.
Posted by: Me | 2010-02-05 11:37:40 PM
maybe you should try defining yourself by your actions, not your name.......whoppee, you write Bullsh*t articles to make yourself feel better about.....something?
Posted by: Margaret | 2010-02-05 11:21:29 PM
Wow-what a lot of hooplah. So you keep your name that you had at birth-but it was your fathers name and you were HIS property. What's your point?
Posted by: melinda | 2010-02-05 10:23:04 PM
this makes me laugh...once again women are tearing each other down for their choices...breast vs bottle...working vs stay at home...holy crap, get a grip...who cares....the bottom line is be responsible for who you are..
Posted by: Molly | 2010-02-05 9:59:42 PM
Wow. I find it appauling that people would care, let alone judge my decision on whether I did or didn't change my name when I got married. Instead of noticing whether my family member's have matching last names, I would hope that they notice almost anything else. Are we good at our professions? Are we kind? Do we treat others with respect? Please notice the twinkle in our eyes and the quality of our conversations rather than our initials. The important thing is that we live in a place and time when we can call ourselves whatever we feel like. Frankly the name change battle was fought a long time ago and is old news. Amongst me and my sisters, we've kept our name, changed our name, hyphenated our name, etc. Who cares? Let's get passionate about something current and relevant instead.
Posted by: Dave | 2010-02-05 8:57:13 PM
So are you not saying that your "respect" for other people is conditional on them agreeing with you?
Not sure if the word I want is "immature" or "zenophobic"--but I "respect" you anyway. I always enjoy a good laugh.
Posted by: John | 2010-02-05 8:04:23 PM
My wife and I were married in 1979 and last year we celebrated 30 years of marriage with 2 different names. She jokingly wanted me to take her last name, which is Walker. She said then that I could be known as Johnny Walker. I never did change.
Over the years, particularly whan our children were little and even more so when my wife was active in her church, we've met questioning, glares and comments. When I joined her at church, attitudes changed completely. No longer was she seen as a single parent. I do not understand how people can be so judgemental about a name. My wife is, always was, and always will be a Walker.
Posted by: Karen | 2010-02-05 7:52:32 PM
I kept the name I was born with and my children have my last name. My husband's family has numerous males to carry on the family name while I do not. My father wasn't keen on me not changing my name nor were my in-laws but it works in our house. And the children do have the same last name as me so no confusion!
Posted by: Jodi | 2010-02-05 5:42:02 PM
WOW...hell of a lot of back pedalling there. Did you realize what a twat you were being wasting time with an irrelavant and hopelessly outdated topic? May you receive the full karma of your stupidity....which I hope includes loseing your audience save for your obviously machostic husband.
Posted by: Lorraine Mercer | 2010-02-05 5:32:16 PM
What's the big deal....keep your given name if you want to...take another name if you want to....you can if you are not doing it for illegal purposes...Emma, thou' protest too much....much ado about nothing...and so on....